Re,.. Proposed Rule Change query,......from the minutes,...'Ollie Davenport submitted a proposed rule change requiring mainsail trim to be done at all times via the last block in the system. The idea is to reduce the efficacy of pumping and potential breaches of Rule 42',.... What about gybing?... Would collecting all the mainsheet falls and flinging the boom over, in order to trim the mainsail on the opposite gybe, be a breach of such a rule?
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Hi Adam there hasn't been an official rule proposal yet but the wording for the rule so far is as follows.
Add to RRS 42.3 (c): (1) this shall be done with the mainsheet turning through at least three blocks between the boom and the crew. The final block shall be securely fastened in the cockpit area, except when facilitating a tack or a gybe.
I'll ask again what I did before - can someone please link to the proposed new rule?
Question... as someone who isn't yet convinced by either sheeting method when fast reaching (yes I need more practice!), how do folk prevent the sheet slipping into the cleat when sitting further aft on a planing reach? From that position it can be difficult to release in an emergency - which is why I have tried sheeting off the boom instead, meaning I feel like I need an extra hand when it comes to switching back as I harden up again.
Maybe my swivel/cleat fitting isn't right? I've spent most of my life sailing a transom-sheeted Enterprise, which is much easier 😁
Looking from all the replys you would need to change your pullys to make them more efficent if this went through, as above alian do them for the ok ,
The laser your allowed to take from the last pully on the boom if you want , same as a solo, going throught the last pully is optionel .
As our judge steve has said at the agm , all rule 42 rules are already there , adjusting the main sheet
is fine , if there is flicking of the main leach is what judges look for .and that is not fine ,
At the inlands there was more body puming of the line and up the beat, form the top guys this is not allowed .
so its down to the sailors to have a word or protest ,
At the EOS with no wind most sit on the thwart and lean the boat over and you end up with the pully and cleat in your back ,so its imposble to take the rope from the thwart cleat end .
Happy Christmas everyone .
Slightly behind on this one but thought I would clarify what I think would be gained by this potential rule addition.
At some of the light to medium wind events I attended in the 2023 season I found the 2-1 sheeting method been used by some sailors not to give themselves more feel for the pressure in the sail but to give themselves multiple pumps of the sail with very little hand or arm movement. I believe the rule proposed would make it much harder and less efficient for people to pump in one arm full of sheet.
As for this rule benefitting the fitter and younger sailors I believe this to be wrong for a start we don't see the 'fitter' Finn sailors taking the full purchase of there mainsail downwind. No they take it 1-1 because it is a more effective way to pump the mainsail. Secondly if taking the mainsheet from the last block in the system is better then why don't we see more of the top sailors doing it?
As Andy pointed out this rule is very similar to the OK Class rule which after having spoken to the sailor in the fleet is a well received rule and one that everyone believes is fair.
There is also a rule written into the Laser/ILCA class rules the prohibites sailors from sheeting the sail 1-1 from the sheet that passes to the transom of the boat. These rules have both been added to the class rules to benefit the sailors and to level the playing field.
When I look it up on the OK rules
https://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OKD2020CR20200506-[26308].pdf
it says in C1.1
(a) RRS 42.3(c) is changed to add: "When the sail is pumped it shall be done
with the mainsheet turning through at least three blocks between the boom
and the crew. The final block shall be securely fastened in the cockpit area.”
which is not at all what I thought this proposal was. Among other things it doesn't stop me from using the forward run (I have a 4-purchase main) when offwind in light weather, which is when I do it. In marginal planing conditions I use the whole mainsheet.
Can someone link me to the correct wording for the proposal?
I would hazard a guess that Ollie's proposal was, in part, prompted by the recent OK Worlds in Lyme Regis. The OKs have had the 'last block pumping' rule for some time and have even got a bespoke Allen roller fairlead for their mainsheet jammer to facilitate the process. The idea of the rule isn't to prevent the 'one pump per wave to promote planing/surfing', it's to prevent the persistent 'micro pumps' that sailors excuse to themselves as 'trimming'.
On Wednesday evening we were drifting around our pond in really light wind. I wanted to get more twist in my sail, so I was standing up and holding the boom up with the kicker and mainsheet loose.
Will that be permitted? (and reading the other comments, no I wasn't pumping... apart from anything else in that weather the ripples you make mean it is really easy to spot)
In general though I'm not in favour of this. The obvious thing that will happen is people will redesign their mainsheet system so that they can change the number of purchases. And then get caught out when the wind changes.
I think if rule change went through it would bennifit the fit an young , there the ones who will be adjusting the boom more .as there fitter ,for me i think taking rope of boom is part of solo sailing , to remove this would take part of then fun out of down wind sailing , there was one rule 42 at the nats the judge did not see any others , , and i have not seen any other cases in sailing in 2022 or 2023 ,with judge or without judge , [PUMPING FROM BOOM}
i have seen other rule 42 rules that would need addressing if this is to be looked at ,i have seen many good sailors standing in the boat and gentle rocking on there feet, some of the top guys do this , and is much more affctive ,lets ban this .
i think we should all try to sail with the porpossed rule ,at your local club and report back , perhaps it is the way forward, perhaps try 3 to 1 like the oks do and test this .also
think we would also have to reduce main sheets thickness as there is so much friction ,
in light winds for this to work ,, i oftern pull rope through pullys on run in light winds to get boom out ,
would that be banned ,
i wil try above next time i sail .
I can see everyone simply reducing their main purchase down to 3:1 and bigger, stronger sailors being favoured.
The proposal is, except during a tack or gybe