What will be the next Solo development trend? topic

Will Loy posted this 27 October 2017

OK, I more than anyone am happy with the current state of flux with the National Solo, a racing dinghy I have sailed for over 38 years. My first was a Seamark Nunn GRP in a lovely shade of beige. My last, a beautiful Gosling Composite. These were worlds apart in terms of performance an yet were clearly from the same DNA string. We have seen rig developments and more mast rake than I ever imagined a Solo could achieve without suffering huge weather helm. What do you think the next trend will be? Dont mention foiling or you will be banned! I have heard some talk of carbon masts but the cost must still be prohibitive and with a fully stayed mast, surely not worthwhile. Foils are now available in varying flexion, maybe this will/is the way forward? Or maybe we have reached optimum performance and need to step up our own human input?

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Ian McDonald posted this 07 November 2017

I think the recent hole in new boat sales whilst new options were discussed shows that the boat is fine. If anything I think we need to reinforce the current rules to stop further improvements affecting older boats and helms.

John Webster posted this 07 November 2017

Hi Will, Two comments from me please. 1: Am I the first to wish all a Merry Xmas, good health and good sailing in 2018? another season just round the corner.

2: On development issues can I ask all how many have moved their lead correctors? I have moved mine and with the help of Roger Mee and the RYA I have an updated measurement certificate. As an RYA member it cost me £15-00.

Regarding new developments I think I should stand back and let another member propose the next idea for discussion and consideration. John Webster PS Will 38 years sailing, you must have started whilst in nappies.

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David Greening posted this 07 November 2017

Maybe there is a case for closing the door on 3DL sails whilst they are no longer available, though I am a great fan these added nearly £1,000 to the cost of ownership of a Solo ... any change in rule should not be retrospective and natural wastage will remove these from the fleet in time.

Steve Townsend posted this 13 November 2017

Possible changes in the Solo Class. The Solo is a one design boat-- however materials and technology have obviously encourage a more modular approach by builders of both Hull and computer generated sail shapes. i.e. we probably need at least two sails. Good for Sailmakers perhaps and Hull designers. in reality the hull is still same more or less with new deck layouts(not much) and bow changes/rocker tweaking( nobody really knows what effect these have. New boats have always been faster havnt they.??? Having owned 25 plus Solos my latest Ledger wooden boat is fast and beautiful at the same time. Can we improve without upsetting the vast number of members who have older boats I think yes. Here are my suggestions.

Hull--- lower the inner side deck reducing the buoyancy --- so that after capsize it is actually possible to get back in to the boat once righted-- Create an open transom/self draining option-- similar to the Blaze.--without a bar. Rig--- Mast stays the same i.e. any type but aluminium. We could change the mast slot measurements a bit thus avoiding mast cut outs . Boom-- Allow carbon booms--- they are great and don't hurt as much. Rudder shape-- should be optional--Jack Holt wouldn't have minded--ie see the streaker rudder foils Sail--No change

What do you think??? Steve

Ian McDonald posted this 13 November 2017

I think that lasts years suggested changes and the vote against show that the boat is fine. I have a wooden boat as well and I think that us older boat owners should get out to a few events to show that our commitee has done a great job over the years and that most of the " improvements" over the years relate more to the fitness and skill of the helm

Johnny Lyell posted this 23 November 2017

Hi I've just moved to a Solo having been sailing a Laser for a few years, and am only starting to learn about the differences between the boats, old and new, and the sails, and the masts. Coming from a class where an old boat (say 20 years) can win with a new sail (cost about £450.00), you can see it makes the Laser class reasonably fair and attractive.
Moving on to future changes for the Solo, and I would suggest caution on anything which would either : Not be applicable to an old boat Is too expensive for the average Solo sailor to buy The Solo is a lovely boat, as it is, and except for the high cost of some of the sails on offer, seems to be an affordable class for a single handed sailor.

Ian McDonald posted this 23 November 2017

I would agree with you Johnny but would make the point that a Solo sail because of its construction will last very much longer than a Laser sail at race level. As a £s per sail basis its going to be very much cheaper than a Laser sail. And have a production cost much higher.

Robert Signer posted this 24 November 2017

hi john webster commented that he has moved his weight correctors, can he or anyone else say where they have been moved to and what the class rule is?

with regards to developing the boat, leave the shape and sizes alone. it's a great boat to sail and good fun with older boats being able to compete with and odd upgrade to mast, sail or control lines.

Will Loy posted this 24 November 2017

Rule D.9.4 (a) Corrector weights of any material shall be permanently fastened to the aftermost end of the centreboard case, or the underside of the centre thwart, or a combination of both locations, when the hull weight is less than the minimum requirement.A.11.1 A certificate shall record the following information: (a) Class (b) Certification authority (c) Owner name and address (d) Sail number issued by the RYA (e) Boat Name, if one has been chosen (f) Shell material and deck material. (g) Builders details,including date built, (h) Date of issue of initial certificate (i) Date of issue of current certificate (j) Date measurement completed (k) The names of the relevant official measurers (l) Hull weight as per D.9.3 (m) Total number of Correctors, total Corrector Weight and position of corrector weights.

I believe Chris Brown's new Winder has them positioned to the underside of the centreboard capping, under the thwart. While new boats may well have this optional positioning recorded on the certificate, any owner who wishes to move their correctors will need their certificate re-issued by the RYA.

Last Edited 31 December 2017

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